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Red Hat Drops Consumer Linux, Sponsors Community Led Fedora Project
Red Hat Drops Consumer Linux, Sponsors Community Led Fedora Project

Red Hat Network has shocked many users of its Linux distro by informing them 1) that it will discontinue maintenance on Red Hat Linux 7.x and 8.0 by the end of 2003; 2) that it will discontinue maintenance on Red Hat 9.0 by the end of April, 2004; and 3) that it does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

Here is the full text of an e-mail sent out this morning, courtesy of NewsForge:

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details:

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If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.)

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In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

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Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center.

Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

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After 18 months of living on FreeBSD only (and loving it - a great UN*X), I had to install Linux on a laptop in order to run several Java apps. I installed Fedora FC3r4, which seems to be a pretty good OS. Installs and runs well.

Funny thing though - there is no documentation. I thought at first I was just incompetent, but I looked at all the CDs and searched the RD Fedora site. Here is all they have for DOCs:
* Release Notes
* Jargon Buster
* Fedora Core 2 SELinux FAQ
* Fedora Core 3 SELinux FAQ
* Stateless Linux tutorial
* Keeping Up to Date
* Udev on Fedora
* Understanding and Customizing the Apache HTTP SELinux Policy (Fedora Core 3)

There is no standard user documentation. And since RH (Fedora) uses many custom admin commands, you really need some docs. Also, they rename all the redhat-xxx-xxx commands as system-xxx-xxx. Once you figure it out, not hard to make it work.

- Grover Righter

Great!
Best Wishes.

ism's are not at fault here. In case you have not noticed we all live in a potientially homogeneous world that dilutes everyday. The big fish are eating the little fish and the guppies are scared of consumption. Change and diversity are the greatest motivators known to mankind. The next greatest server is on the horizon because a group of young intelects are in need of something more powerful and nothing out there right know meets their needs. But its the not knowing for sure that spawn this dialogue. Have faith in the future for it will quickly be the present!

I don't know anything about Linux. I have no clue what any of you are talking about.

Strafe wrote
OpenSource is software communism. To think that software developers should not get paid and be rewarded for their efforts is purely socialism at the digital level.

Whilst capitalism may be your preferred system (even if you're not sure what it is) i believe the main idea of socialism is that the workers DO get paid for their efforts, which in pure capitalist terms is left to the market. in effect, the least possible pay.

The idea of doing some work without a profit motive is not new. Christ seemed to be willing to share some ideas without a direct business benefit, and he promoted sharing in a big way.

Electricity technology in the main is in the public domain because all the work was done by a philanthropist, who did not patent all his work, but made his discoveries freely available (for the glory of God, apparently.)

I am in debt to the free software movement for giving me some choices in understanding software without the ruinous effect of business making it impossibly expensive to operate and explore (legally, anyhow).

As for Red Hat, it is a business issue. if it is a good call, they will prosper. if not, they probably won't. Thats the best thing about capitalism. (when it is not totally corrupted by money influencing goverment, anyhow)

I've got my holes dug in the back yard. So long RH. Good buy MS! I've got my eye on a really nice pad of paper and a wonderful pen !

Anyone who abandons customers in the way Redhat has done
does not deserve customers. I used to have 4 Redhat machines, as of now I have converted 3 of them to Debian.
Even though installation/configuration is more difficult,
I highly recommend Debian. Debian's apt-get utility is the greatest. No more rpm's that won't update because of a dependency problem. apt-get obtains all dependent packages automatically. I am now a happy and satisfied Debian user. SuSe may do what Redhat has done, so I wouldn't go there.

Redhat is starting to become a necessary evil. We are migrating to Oracle on Itanium. Support sucks so far they shipped us Enterprise linux for x86 after we ordered the Itanium edition. To get our itanium copy we had to buy another license from them cause we have other x86 dev servers or something. Whatever I dont understand there licensing I thought the license was a support contract or something. My first taste of the corporate Linux experience was not good. Next time Redhat starts dissing anything for not being under GNU license or marching to the governments steps I think im going to PUKE.

Strafe:
Not a bad troll. You may want to rethink your criticisms of OpenSource software. There's a big difference between free beer and free software. Closed source software will, by definition, always suffer from hidden bugs and backdoors. If you're ok with this, then enjoy the myriad support options you have with MSDN and TechNet. If you are getting paid to solve a problem right now, the source code is the definitive reference and sometimes the best way of finding why something fails. Lack of user-readable documentation is not necessarily a bad thing. Users invariably log into windows servers and can easily mess up configurations or bury errors a few windows deep in the config. Arcane/obfuscated/secure admin interfaces stop the users from cutting their own throats and give the admins the leverage to solve the problem from the ground up. Nothing wrong with RH charging (cute SCO licensing comment) for later supported versions. I hope they do just fine.

Just for the record, how many NDA's have you signed with M$ in the course of supporting your Windows servers? Did you know that many of the bugs that are fixed in service packs are NOT documented? Did you know that M$ has to protect some of its support tools they give out with NDA's? Feel free to contact Bill Hollingshead at MS SQL Server support and ask about these. MS is not doing you a favor by hiding the source. They are struggling to remain a viable alternative in the face of actual competition. They will grip tighter and tighter the more afraid they become. You'll see this in more restrictive licenses, mandatory upgrades, and software rentals. If you're ok with this, fine. Communism is when the people are complacent with the collective making decisions for them. Democracy is when the people make the decisions for themselves. It's about choice, not money.

I use Fedora Core 1. I like their function in my pc like the Red hat 9.(I dare to say that I sit down it much better than red hat)

BTW.

I applaud Red Hat's decision. It is about time that Linux OS developers and support personnel started getting "professional" status as opposed to being viewed as glorified hobbyists.

This also adds legitimacy to RHEL in the eyes of Corporate America. This will further their inroads into the server OS market.

WANTED:

Open Source Developers and Support Staff for Linux. Must be oncall 24x7x365 to support business customers. Must meet all their needs and provide full Microsoft compatibility for our Corporate Customers. We expect 100% from you but offer no salary.

Wow! Sounds like great job! Not!

You would never even consider applying for job like that yet you give Red Hat a hard time for "selling out"? For how long did you expect Red Hat to keep giving everything away for FREE? They are a business and businesses exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that.

BTW.

I applaud Red Hat's decision. It is about time that Linux OS developers and support personnel started getting "professional" status as opposed to being viewed as glorified hobbyists.

This also adds legitimacy to RHEL in the eyes of Corporate America. This will further their inroads into the server OS market.

WANTED:

Open Source Developers and Support Staff for Linux. Must be oncall 24x7x365 to support business customers. Must meet all their needs and provide full Microsoft compatibility for our Corporate Customers. We expect 100% from you but offer no salary.

Wow! Sounds like great job! Not!

You would never even consider applying for job like that yet you give Red Hat a hard time for "selling out"? For how long did you expect Red Hat to keep giving everything away for FREE? They are a business and businesses exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that.

Choice. Listen to the hobbyist politicos whine about choice. Ever work in an IT shop? Do you think your Telephonic and Deskside PC Support staff want to support a myriad of word processors, spreadsheets, OS's and applications? Of course NOT. Too much to know and not enough time. "Oh, sorry Mister Director of Marketing, you have to check your glib version to see if it matches that called for in the .o object files from the new version of that Project management software you are running on SuSe."

Yeah. Any support team wants to focus there efforts on one application in any category for a variety of reasons. Do you really want your Marketing Group running one word processor and your Communications Group using another? Choices are good in a corporate environment? While MS has its problems, it also has the TechNET, MSDN and online resources that dwarf anything in the Linux community. They are very forthcoming about problems (even if they have lots of them!).

If MS fell off the planet tomorrow and Linux became the desktop standard using OpenOffice, you would all become disgruntled because its a "monopoly" and "everyone is using it". Its a psychological thing, not a practical thing. You find some other "niche" OS to rant and rave as the next coming (BeOS?) and deride Linux as selling out.

Hey, how about that MrProject? MS-Project clone for Linux. So how is that coming along? Last update was some time ago. And if my company were running on it (we would not pay the developer a penny because this is the OpenSource revolution remember, software and the effort to produce/support it should be FREE, FREE, FREE) how do we get support? What if the sole guy developing it was on vacation or died or quit?

OpenSource is software communism. To think that software developers should not get paid and be rewarded for their efforts is purely socialism at the digital level.

Hey, here's a thought!

How about all you Linux Zealots quit your jobs and work solely on OpenSource? You won't get paid since the expectation is that it should all be free. After the first mortgage payment is due or your child needs to visit the doctor, your common sense will return.

For the record, I run Windows XP, OSX Panther and Red Hat Linux at home. I have lots of experience with them all. Each has their merits. I personally feel that OSX offers the best of Microsoft and Linux. But reality in the corporate world dictates otherwise.

It's all about money folks. And if you don't like capitalism, North Korea probably has lots of space for OpenSource communists. :-)

"Red Hat Linux .... you are terminated."

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Linux has splintered into those who will pay (which is no better than Windows) and those who will not pay for software and/or support.

The Linux community has an OS now. You must next attack the cash cow. Microsoft Office. Too many groups are doing there own thing taking away from any concentrated attempt to make inroads into the Office Suite market. Corporate users don't care about the OS (only power user hobbyists with political grudges). They care about getting their work done and that means the applications. You must provide them with a FREE office suite. So far we have ThinkOffice, OpenOffice, StarOffice, GnomeOffice....why so many? As in the corporate world, only one will win. Why not take the best of all those and make ONE office suite and have everyone focus on that?!?! It is the only way to compete with Microsoft Office.

Red Hat Linux = $149 (box set) + $96 (RHN) + $1,400 SCO License = about $1,650 per Linux server (assuming single processor too!!!!)

Windows 2003 server = $482 (Enterprise License cost)

Hmmm.........in a corporate environment, Linux is far from FREE. Just because hobbyists can download it free does not mean that is what a large corporation is going to do. They want/need accountability and support.

Linux, with all its distributions, legal issues (SCO) and lack of corporate quality software, has literally become the "Tower of OS Babel". It was off to such a promising start too. Quite a shame actually.

Still not to late to turn it around though.

Not on the subject but maybe I can improve someone´s life here.
Guys, I´m giving up.
Time to stop.
I am tired of all the IT world because upper management takes up all the money, always has, always will. We are PAWNS. To the ones of you that worry about making a living... get out and get some marketing and/or administration diplomas in addition to your engineering degree and forget about it.
This section of the job market has the lowest brain-use/U$ worldwide.


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Grover Righter wrote: After 18 months of living on FreeBSD only (and loving it - a great UN*X), I had to install Linux on a laptop in order to run several Java apps. I installed Fedora FC3r4, which seems to be a pretty good OS. Installs and runs well. Funny thing though - there is no documentation. I thought at first I was just incompetent, but I looked at all the CDs and searched the RD Fedora site. Here is all they have for DOCs: * Release Notes * Jargon Buster * Fedora Core 2 SELinux FAQ * Fedora Core 3 SELinux FAQ * Stateless Linux tutorial * Keeping Up to Date * Udev on Fedora * Understanding and Customizing the Apache HTTP SELinux Policy (Fedora Core 3) There is no standard user documentation. And since RH (Fedora) uses many custom admin commands, you really need some docs. Also, they rename all the redhat-xxx-xxx commands as system-xxx-xxx. Once you f...
Zoue wrote: Great! Best Wishes.
P4Hyperthreader wrote: ism's are not at fault here. In case you have not noticed we all live in a potientially homogeneous world that dilutes everyday. The big fish are eating the little fish and the guppies are scared of consumption. Change and diversity are the greatest motivators known to mankind. The next greatest server is on the horizon because a group of young intelects are in need of something more powerful and nothing out there right know meets their needs. But its the not knowing for sure that spawn this dialogue. Have faith in the future for it will quickly be the present!
Nifty Pickle wrote: I don't know anything about Linux. I have no clue what any of you are talking about.
SnipeCivilians wrote: Strafe wrote OpenSource is software communism. To think that software developers should not get paid and be rewarded for their efforts is purely socialism at the digital level. Whilst capitalism may be your preferred system (even if you're not sure what it is) i believe the main idea of socialism is that the workers DO get paid for their efforts, which in pure capitalist terms is left to the market. in effect, the least possible pay. The idea of doing some work without a profit motive is not new. Christ seemed to be willing to share some ideas without a direct business benefit, and he promoted sharing in a big way. Electricity technology in the main is in the public domain because all the work was done by a philanthropist, who did not patent all his work, but made his discoveries freely available (for the glory of God, apparently.) I am in debt to the free software movement...
dave wrote: I've got my holes dug in the back yard. So long RH. Good buy MS! I've got my eye on a really nice pad of paper and a wonderful pen !
jj wrote: Anyone who abandons customers in the way Redhat has done does not deserve customers. I used to have 4 Redhat machines, as of now I have converted 3 of them to Debian. Even though installation/configuration is more difficult, I highly recommend Debian. Debian's apt-get utility is the greatest. No more rpm's that won't update because of a dependency problem. apt-get obtains all dependent packages automatically. I am now a happy and satisfied Debian user. SuSe may do what Redhat has done, so I wouldn't go there.
Randy Poznan wrote: Redhat is starting to become a necessary evil. We are migrating to Oracle on Itanium. Support sucks so far they shipped us Enterprise linux for x86 after we ordered the Itanium edition. To get our itanium copy we had to buy another license from them cause we have other x86 dev servers or something. Whatever I dont understand there licensing I thought the license was a support contract or something. My first taste of the corporate Linux experience was not good. Next time Redhat starts dissing anything for not being under GNU license or marching to the governments steps I think im going to PUKE.
rambo wrote: Strafe: Not a bad troll. You may want to rethink your criticisms of OpenSource software. There's a big difference between free beer and free software. Closed source software will, by definition, always suffer from hidden bugs and backdoors. If you're ok with this, then enjoy the myriad support options you have with MSDN and TechNet. If you are getting paid to solve a problem right now, the source code is the definitive reference and sometimes the best way of finding why something fails. Lack of user-readable documentation is not necessarily a bad thing. Users invariably log into windows servers and can easily mess up configurations or bury errors a few windows deep in the config. Arcane/obfuscated/secure admin interfaces stop the users from cutting their own throats and give the admins the leverage to solve the problem from the ground up. Nothing wrong with RH charging (cute SC...
Zombie wrote: I use Fedora Core 1. I like their function in my pc like the Red hat 9.(I dare to say that I sit down it much better than red hat)
Strafe wrote: BTW. I applaud Red Hat's decision. It is about time that Linux OS developers and support personnel started getting "professional" status as opposed to being viewed as glorified hobbyists. This also adds legitimacy to RHEL in the eyes of Corporate America. This will further their inroads into the server OS market. WANTED: Open Source Developers and Support Staff for Linux. Must be oncall 24x7x365 to support business customers. Must meet all their needs and provide full Microsoft compatibility for our Corporate Customers. We expect 100% from you but offer no salary. Wow! Sounds like great job! Not! You would never even consider applying for job like that yet you give Red Hat a hard time for "selling out"? For how long did you expect Red Hat to keep giving everything away for FREE? They are a business and businesses exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that.
Strafe wrote: BTW. I applaud Red Hat's decision. It is about time that Linux OS developers and support personnel started getting "professional" status as opposed to being viewed as glorified hobbyists. This also adds legitimacy to RHEL in the eyes of Corporate America. This will further their inroads into the server OS market. WANTED: Open Source Developers and Support Staff for Linux. Must be oncall 24x7x365 to support business customers. Must meet all their needs and provide full Microsoft compatibility for our Corporate Customers. We expect 100% from you but offer no salary. Wow! Sounds like great job! Not! You would never even consider applying for job like that yet you give Red Hat a hard time for "selling out"? For how long did you expect Red Hat to keep giving everything away for FREE? They are a business and businesses exist to make money. Nothing wrong with that.
Strafe wrote: Choice. Listen to the hobbyist politicos whine about choice. Ever work in an IT shop? Do you think your Telephonic and Deskside PC Support staff want to support a myriad of word processors, spreadsheets, OS's and applications? Of course NOT. Too much to know and not enough time. "Oh, sorry Mister Director of Marketing, you have to check your glib version to see if it matches that called for in the .o object files from the new version of that Project management software you are running on SuSe." Yeah. Any support team wants to focus there efforts on one application in any category for a variety of reasons. Do you really want your Marketing Group running one word processor and your Communications Group using another? Choices are good in a corporate environment? While MS has its problems, it also has the TechNET, MSDN and online resources that dwarf anything in the Linux commun...
Strafe wrote: "Red Hat Linux .... you are terminated." There is no such thing as a free lunch. Linux has splintered into those who will pay (which is no better than Windows) and those who will not pay for software and/or support. The Linux community has an OS now. You must next attack the cash cow. Microsoft Office. Too many groups are doing there own thing taking away from any concentrated attempt to make inroads into the Office Suite market. Corporate users don't care about the OS (only power user hobbyists with political grudges). They care about getting their work done and that means the applications. You must provide them with a FREE office suite. So far we have ThinkOffice, OpenOffice, StarOffice, GnomeOffice....why so many? As in the corporate world, only one will win. Why not take the best of all those and make ONE office suite and have everyone focus on that?!?! It is the on...
Tired one wrote: Not on the subject but maybe I can improve someone´s life here. Guys, I´m giving up. Time to stop. I am tired of all the IT world because upper management takes up all the money, always has, always will. We are PAWNS. To the ones of you that worry about making a living... get out and get some marketing and/or administration diplomas in addition to your engineering degree and forget about it. This section of the job market has the lowest brain-use/U$ worldwide.
Jim wrote: How about Apple Computer and it's single license server for unlimited use. How does this compare to Redhat fee? If you are going to pay, which would you rather pay for. As far as open source is concerned, Apple OSX is based on Free BSD.
David L wrote: To netboy541, I found some from Fedora's Web page. Fedora is not NEW OS. Please don't confuse. Fedora is a project that start from years before. Fedora is a good project and have good idea but need time to prove. Rh face to money issue and support issue now. Well, you can ask for RH how to solve it. netboy541, your concept may be wrong : - we don't need tolerate to M$ because of M$ monopoly in the world. If everything is M$ monopoly, we hate it. If M$ continue monopoly, we don't have choice in later on. As a result, whatever M$ give, we must be accept without say no. - In the free world, we don't need monopoly. We only need the freedom of choice.
netboy541 wrote: i'm just really really concerned that sence Fedora is a "new" os, that it will have the same disastorous effects every "new" os has, and crash crash crash.... I must admit, I am absolutely LIVID that RH has pretty much been buried alive, but who am I. I'm just the little guy out there running RH9 on all my machines, except for one. I started with RH6.1 and kept on plugging away... Now I have RH down for the most part, and they just yank the rug out from under me. I am really mad because I paid for the errata support, and they are acting like "Well we will knock off some money on this, if you give us some more money" As I told my Dad, It's starting to sound more and more like Bill has his hands in this one, although I know that's not the case. I'm pretty sure tho the boys in Redmond where throwin a party when they heard about this. I work with computers, and I have sence I was 8 y...
Sea Dragon wrote: I found that from Fedora Site +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Fedora is a community project dedicated to building high-quality, 3rd party rpms, for the RedHat Linux distribution. Our goal is to facilitate easy package installation through automatic update methods such as apt and yum, while at the same time maintaining first rate security procedures. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To Fun You right, everyone have different favior. Anyway, for me, I will try Fedora. Also, "I do as I need , not because of others." Life is fun and Happy and no angry. Cheers
Fun wrote: For me, I use SUSE and RH before. Start from RH 5, I use it as my server & desktop. And swith one be one through 6.0, 7.2 ....., 9.0. Well, I found that both of them are Same in the past version. For my personel view, I prefer RedHat as my desktop. But now I will change to use Fedora version. Although some people may not want it, doesn't matter because every people have different favior. I found that : - Fedora is fast growing and most update, So if you need production version, you may not suitible to use it. You may change your Linux workstation/server to higher version RHWS or RH Enterprise Linux. They are stable more supportable. Or just change to other Linux distributor, such as Debian or SUSE... Those are Linux and those are good. But for mine, it doesn't matter, I want Fedora version. I like to see how it is good or not and need how to improve. I like ir because it...
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