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Red Hat Network Deal "Doesn't Make Sense," Says One End User
"The New RHN: Is it really worth it?" asks Ahmad Baitalmal

The VP of IT at Etelos Systems, Inc., an Issaquah, Washington-based company has blogged a thoughtful piece questioning the economic sense, for a small company like his with just ten servers, of the new RHN (Red Hat Network).

The VP in question, Ahmad Baitalmal, identifies himself as "a Red Hat advocate since v5.0" and "not a Red Hat basher." His commentary ("The new RHN: Is it really worth it?") explains how and why RHN isn't well-suited to his firm's needs and is absolutely worth reading in full. He writes well and includes plenty of detail of his experiences.

Here is Baitalmal's conclusion:

What really got me thinking about moving all 10 RedHat servers I manage to Gentoo is the new RHN cost. Up until now I've been describing the common problem with RHN for many of us, and many of us have resolved to just live with it. But to be expected to pay $799 per server for that; would be asking me to swallow a very large pill.

The gist (or as we say in Arabic “the butter”) of the matter is that for my company - and I'm sure many others – the new deal just doesn't make sense. We are virtually getting the same service from RHN that used to cost us $60 a year; but for a whole lot more. There are a few bells and whistles attached to the new deal but not enough to justify the asking price.

The new RHN deal does make lots of sense for bigger companies that are not known for nor required to be very flexible. If the bundled features of the packages that come with Red Hat Linux are all you would ever need, then by all means, Red Hat is very stable and their upgrade process would work very nicely for you. Something that I attribute to the success of Visual Basic in the enterprise; it addressed a whole bunch of tasks extremely well for a whole bunch of people with a common problem.

But as many sysadmins and developers will tell you, they are required to perform acts of utter magic on a weekly basis for very little pay. The RHN FAQ regarding the new deal mentions that "in the past there was only one Red Hat Linux product to serve both large customers running mission-critical applications and individual enthusiasts." So they created Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora to address those two categories respectively. Where do you fit in that definiton? Maybe the time has come, to do some distribution shopping.

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RH has made an unfortunate decision to abandon the desktop and less than 25 server market. As an integrator, I feel this is a position in the market where a solid inexpensive alternative to 'soft would do the most damage.
On the other hand, this is also just the market they can't make any money on. The question for us "hobbyists" is whether Fedora turns into RH without the box or whether we should unite behind the other leading Viagra distro, SuSE...

After all, if 'soft's new office is as XML/SOAP as they claim, they're making Viagra interoperability even less of an issue.

The higher price doesn't make sense to me too.

Hi, I thought the move was gross,but this is a business. So I downloaded Fedora. It depends on where you are in your Linux experience. I think the upgrades are easier, and you have choices with yum, or apt-get as installers. If you are dealing with several servers you can Kickstart some of that. Up to this point my main challenge is have my wireless cards work after that I can kill XP.

a note to Greg Arakelian concerning up2date...

in SuSE, it's called YOU

Give it a try.

check out Mandrake for your server needs.
u could be pleasantly surprised.

A question I must ask, has anyone here acutally installed the Fedora distribution? If you have been using the standard Redhat Linux then Fedora will most likely work fine for your needs. It is a nice full featured product that is basically identical to its predocessor. Look here at a few screenshots:

http://mirror.mricon.com/fedora-screenshots/

http://www.dark-hill.co.uk/fedora/

http://www.dark-hill.co.uk/fedora/screenshot-3.html

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5057

I switched my home business to SUSE as well. The AMD64 version of RH was several times more expensive with all the "enterprise" features. I used to like RH's up2date feature, but I'm not going to pay those bucks. What would it have cost them to leave well enough alone, and if the big companies are able (begging) to pay more, then let them. Stupid move.

RH has made an unfortunate decision to abandon the desktop and less than 25 server market. As an integrator, I feel this is a position in the market where a solid inexpensive alternative to 'soft would do the most damage.

On the other hand, this is also just the market they can't make any money on. The question for us "hobbyists" is whether Fedora turns into RH without the box or whether we should unite behind the other leading distro, SuSE...

After all, if 'soft's new office is as XML/SOAP as they claim, they're making interoperability even less of an issue.

I do not understand the higher price that RH now is asking. It doesn't make sense since there are other Linux versions out there that are still free. I personally started to move my entire Red Hat server over to SUSE Linux.

I think Red Hat wants to go to the path of Microsoft.

Red Hat wants too much money for what they provide. I am not going to pay almost $200 a year for Linux. I switched to SuSE which is a better product.

I am so disappointed about all of this. We were ready to roll out Red Hat in a pretty big way on multiple servers to help manage lots of systems housekeeping functions as well as our DMZ website. Now we are going to have to look elsewhere. What they have done, for us anyway, is make Microsoft look like a viable alternative. Now THAT took some doing, but Red Hat managed it.

Ah well, back to the drawiing board...

KM

Otherwise, look into Progeny: the services they can offer at modest rates is unparalleled
Nice sentance you tard

Please learn how to use a semicolon.

Otherwise, look into Progeny: the services they can offer at modest rates is unparalleled.

The company I work for is planning to do some movement from Windows to a Linux distribution. We have also balked at paying Red Hat's rates for RHEL. I have been working on White Box Enterprise Linux (http://whiteboxlinux.org) at home, and it looks good. Also, Progeny's update service (http://www.progeny.com) for Red Hat Linux is reasonable, at $5 per month per machine.


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samuel lawson wrote: RH has made an unfortunate decision to abandon the desktop and less than 25 server market. As an integrator, I feel this is a position in the market where a solid inexpensive alternative to 'soft would do the most damage. On the other hand, this is also just the market they can't make any money on. The question for us "hobbyists" is whether Fedora turns into RH without the box or whether we should unite behind the other leading Viagra distro, SuSE... After all, if 'soft's new office is as XML/SOAP as they claim, they're making Viagra interoperability even less of an issue.
tim wrote: The higher price doesn't make sense to me too.
michael wrote: Hi, I thought the move was gross,but this is a business. So I downloaded Fedora. It depends on where you are in your Linux experience. I think the upgrades are easier, and you have choices with yum, or apt-get as installers. If you are dealing with several servers you can Kickstart some of that. Up to this point my main challenge is have my wireless cards work after that I can kill XP.
putkowski wrote: a note to Greg Arakelian concerning up2date... in SuSE, it's called YOU Give it a try.
patrick_darcy wrote: check out Mandrake for your server needs. u could be pleasantly surprised.
Joe Pearce wrote: A question I must ask, has anyone here acutally installed the Fedora distribution? If you have been using the standard Redhat Linux then Fedora will most likely work fine for your needs. It is a nice full featured product that is basically identical to its predocessor. Look here at a few screenshots: http://mirror.mricon.com/fedora-screenshots/ http://www.dark-hill.co.uk/fedora/ http://www.dark-hill.co.uk/fedora/screenshot-3.html http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5057
Greg Arakelian wrote: I switched my home business to SUSE as well. The AMD64 version of RH was several times more expensive with all the "enterprise" features. I used to like RH's up2date feature, but I'm not going to pay those bucks. What would it have cost them to leave well enough alone, and if the big companies are able (begging) to pay more, then let them. Stupid move.
putkowski wrote: RH has made an unfortunate decision to abandon the desktop and less than 25 server market. As an integrator, I feel this is a position in the market where a solid inexpensive alternative to 'soft would do the most damage. On the other hand, this is also just the market they can't make any money on. The question for us "hobbyists" is whether Fedora turns into RH without the box or whether we should unite behind the other leading distro, SuSE... After all, if 'soft's new office is as XML/SOAP as they claim, they're making interoperability even less of an issue.
Tom Cafte wrote: I do not understand the higher price that RH now is asking. It doesn't make sense since there are other Linux versions out there that are still free. I personally started to move my entire Red Hat server over to SUSE Linux.
jojo wrote: I think Red Hat wants to go to the path of Microsoft.
Fliplip wrote: Red Hat wants too much money for what they provide. I am not going to pay almost $200 a year for Linux. I switched to SuSE which is a better product.
Kevin Michel wrote: I am so disappointed about all of this. We were ready to roll out Red Hat in a pretty big way on multiple servers to help manage lots of systems housekeeping functions as well as our DMZ website. Now we are going to have to look elsewhere. What they have done, for us anyway, is make Microsoft look like a viable alternative. Now THAT took some doing, but Red Hat managed it. Ah well, back to the drawiing board... KM
fred garvin wrote: Otherwise, look into Progeny: the services they can offer at modest rates is unparalleled Nice sentance you tard
Your Grammarian wrote: Please learn how to use a semicolon. Otherwise, look into Progeny: the services they can offer at modest rates is unparalleled.
Brian Miller wrote: The company I work for is planning to do some movement from Windows to a Linux distribution. We have also balked at paying Red Hat's rates for RHEL. I have been working on White Box Enterprise Linux (http://whiteboxlinux.org) at home, and it looks good. Also, Progeny's update service (http://www.progeny.com) for Red Hat Linux is reasonable, at $5 per month per machine.
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