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Unlikeliest Linux Development of 2004: "Windows on Linux"
Unlikeliest Linux Development of 2004: "Windows on Linux"

"What would happen if MS ported MS Office to Linux/BSD?"  wondered one developer aloud over the holiday season, in a Slashhdot discussion about Microsoft's plans in 2004 and beyond.

"[It] would ensure their cash cow continues to bring in money," he continued, before adding: "But would they do it? Probably not since Office is about the only reason people don't desert Windows. And without the desktop Windows OS, the server OS loses a lot of the functionality."

"They could build Windows on top of existing distributions," his stream of consciousness continued, "but then they lose control of plug and play, which would be the biggest complaint from users of Windows on Linux; people would blame MS for Linux's shortcomings when their brand new digital camera failed to connect properly. They could build their own distribution to have better control of plug and play, but then they'd have to release under GPL... I doubt MS would be willing to do that. To build a hybrid OS like Apple and keep it closed source would do nothing for MS since it's no different from what they have now."

Needless to say, Slashdotters were soon all over it.

"What could they add that other distros don't have?" asked one. "Full compatability with other Microsoft products? The GPL requires releasing their source code and that would be telling the whole world how bizarre things like NTFS really work."

"I agree," he concluded. "Not gonna work."

Not everyone agreed. "MS might come out with a BSD derived OS," suggested a new participant in the discussion. "They can do that without giving up everything. And Apple has, again, proved that it can be done by a commercial company."

"MS will never adopt/modify a BSD or Linux system," came one swift reply. "Their culture simply wouldn't support it. They want to control everything about the code they write and use - what you see, what you can edit, what you can critically analyze. They honestly believe (through hubris, not maliciousness) they have assembled the brightest developers on the planet. Everyone else is simply a hack or unenlightened."

Maybe there was a silver lining, though, even to the Microsoft cloud - a tad of spot-changing due from the Redmond leopard? "MS has tremendous resources," he continued, "and I'd love to see them join the rest of the tech community instead of constantly trying to force the computing industry to adopt their worldview."

The last word(s) went to the wag who pointed Slashdotters to the ingenious spoof Web site www.mslinux.org.

"Too late!" he wrote.

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Sigh. So much confusion and misinformation. See

http://www.osopinion.com/story.xhtml?story_id=21371

for the real story.

I actually think if push comes to a shove for microsoft from the feirce competition from linux servers.. microsoft just might come out with there own linux servers.. I mean seriously. they didn't buy a UNIX license from SCO for nothing plus they were running linux servers on windowsupdate when the Sobig and Blaster worm was on the rampant.

My main problem with linux is that as I need to run NTFS and I can't find a decent linux distrub that will give me that. I don't hve the opurtunity to test out Linux and am not going to change to something I can't check.
A second problem is that I don't have time to go through the rigmorole of seting it up something I can do very quickly with Windows.
If you want me to change you will have to give me a lot more than what is currently offered.

If you like learning new things download this distribution of linux its amazing! Not the OS, just the concept :)

http://www.knoppix.net/

Burn the data to a CD, put it in, and it loads the OS to memory, takes less than 5 minutes to load :D

i have had some fun with it.

My opinion of Linux is divided pretty cleanly into 2 portions.
1st off is that the whole "consept" of Linux is awesome.Free OS...If you´re willing to learn something new, well...everything anew.
2nd off is that this is the reason why I´m not using Linux so much yet.And the game issue is also a pretty good excuse for me.
The FAT32 -file system support(read) is pretty neat, but it should b 2 way => Linux can read&write into a FAT32 -file system.
I´ve tried Suse, Mandrake, Spectra and the most recent linux distribution in my hd is RedHat 9, which seems to b working ok so far.But I´m just waiting for the same problems to start appearing that were in the previous distributions I had.
Overall... That Windows on Linux might not be such a bad idea afterall.It would get more people involved with Linux.

matt commented on 29 December 2003:
The only thing that is keeping me from going to linux at this point is that I can't play my favorite games.
//
You can run TightVNC server on the Microsoft Windows machine and TightVNC client on the GNU/Linux machine to play games. Alternatively, purchase a game console. The only application missing from my GNU/Linux desktop is a project management application compatible with Microsoft Project. So in the interm I plan to use TightVNC - to satisfy the "we only use supported products" mindset at work so I can have access to Microsoft Project whilst still using GNU/Linux. All documentation is created using OpenOffice.org and only after completing the document do I convert it to Microsoft Office format and fix up the few issues some complex tables seem to raise. I prefer publishing a PDF formatted document for the recipient but sometimes they demand Microsoft Word or PowerPoint formatted document.

Open office will not be a viable alternative in 5 years once DRM has been used widely through the market as nobody but microsoft will be able to open documents.

Windows on Linux would be nice, but only if done by the open source community. The most important reasons for breaking away from Windows are privacy, security and control over your own data!

I work in the field of software security, and you would be shocked if you knew about all the private data that Windows keeps around... and it can all be found if you use the right tools. That is fine if it was only done for law enforcement purposes, but if you read the licenses carefully you will discover that you unknowingly granted Microsoft the right to use or change everything in your computer... and you are supposed to "trust them" not to misuse the power.

I already began switching away my computers and discovered that it is quite viable. A bit of a pain perhaps, but Office is not one of them. OpenOffice is quite a viable alternative, free, does not have spyware, and it can exchange files with MsOffice just fine.

Games are an issue, but for that purpose it is just as easy, and possibly cheaper, to switch to a Playstation - and it sure does not introduce spyware nor cause junk mail like some of the Windows games do.

After reading the above comments i have some more comments to add if you have the time...

People will not move to another operating system because it means re-training. I go into companies and i have (in 5 years) med 2 people who know a reasonable amount (i.e. know what an IP address is etc.). People are scared of computers, change will increase this fear, so they will battle not for change. I an email from somebody the other month saying they couldnt send an email! i promptly sent one back saying "Keep trying." and got one back 3 days later saying "It's working again".... THIS IS WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST!

Point 2: Microsoft will NEVER develop a linux version of their operating system. This is like ferarri saying "Our engine sucks, we are going to use a Porsche one instead". Also, they have poured too much time and effort into their technology to abandon it. Whatever anyone says, windows is more user friendly, more visually pleasing, more compatable and has more support available. But amongst all other things, i know i can ring them up and complain as they have accountability.

Now, i am not anti linux, i have used distributions such as mandrake and knoppix (quite cool :P) but they are not ready for wide spread use just yet.

Ok, dont believe me? well give me chance to explain --

Windows is installed on over 500m computers, with Office (in one form or another) on over 400m computers. Now linux (installed on 10m computers) just does not have the exposure MS does.

Imagine a car enthusiast creating a prototype, and then selling it as a production car. Just because it is reliable how he drives it, it may have huge problems as a production car. Take Ford, they have the exposure to know what materials will take the wear and tear of everyday driving etc.

So, linux has some way to go, but a short time to get there in summary.

many thanks,
shaun

Everyone says that microsoft is ignoring the linux threat -- i do not believe they are. They are biding their time until everyone has upgraded to a recent (> 2003) version of Office or Windows -- Warning people off it, threatening law suits (indirectly thru SCO), droping costs etc. etc.

In less than 5 years when the next version of windows comes out with .Net, IIS, Yukon, and most people have updated office to 2003 or later, linux wont be able to legally compete with windows. I work in IT and my clients are jumping at the chance to implement DRM (Document Right Management).

DRM allows you to password files, check who has opened them, only allow certain members of staff to view them etc... the lot!

Now, linux can not legally open these files.

How can they compete when (IMO) around 60% - 70% of people who use word processing etc, are using this system to lock documents?

who will switch to a program which only allows open viewable-by-all documents?

Once people taste the control, they will not give it up.

thanks,
shaun.

I'm 31 and i wish never see a MS-Version of Linux. I think Linux - Unix are thought, developed and launched in the way an Operated System suppose to be. Unlike Windows, it came from a Pretty face for DOS to an unsecure comfortable standar for dummies. But i will push to developers to create viewers for MS' file types without to expose the integrity of the crossplataform.

I think a big drawback for Linux, is purely the familiarity that users have with the Windows OS, they know what they can do with it, and where things are kept. With Linux this is gone, and it means re-learning, which most people dont want to do.
So a Linux port of Windows, may break down some of these barriers and get more people onto Linux, which is a good thing.

I wonder if this is true? This sounds brilliant though. Sort of a rollback to windows 3.X days where it was the window manager only. I just dont see why anyone would want to be burdoned with more windows client licenses. And secondly if you really must run special windows apps you would be better off running a client to a windows term server or citrix operation. Far less support issues. Id hate to see the mess that microsoft would make of their own branch of the linux kernel. C++ class out every header. Modules would be rewritten to lodable dll's, and vmlinux.dll, it would only compile with VS .Net. And it would have kernel methods exposed via Visual Basic to enable virus code.

Office is the only reason users dont switch to linux? I dont think this is true. I am ready to switch NOW. The only thing that is keeping me from going to linux at this point is that I can't play my favorite games! Namely Counter-Strike and Star Wars Galaxies. However, I am ready to go back any day, as soon as I get my games!! Open-office is fine as far as I am concerned for writing documents and doing microsoft office type stuff, I dont need ms office.


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jqb wrote: Sigh. So much confusion and misinformation. See http://www.osopinion.com/story.xhtml?story_id=21371 for the real story.
pete wrote: I actually think if push comes to a shove for microsoft from the feirce competition from linux servers.. microsoft just might come out with there own linux servers.. I mean seriously. they didn't buy a UNIX license from SCO for nothing plus they were running linux servers on windowsupdate when the Sobig and Blaster worm was on the rampant.
fred wrote: My main problem with linux is that as I need to run NTFS and I can't find a decent linux distrub that will give me that. I don't hve the opurtunity to test out Linux and am not going to change to something I can't check. A second problem is that I don't have time to go through the rigmorole of seting it up something I can do very quickly with Windows. If you want me to change you will have to give me a lot more than what is currently offered.
shaun wrote: If you like learning new things download this distribution of linux its amazing! Not the OS, just the concept :) http://www.knoppix.net/ Burn the data to a CD, put it in, and it loads the OS to memory, takes less than 5 minutes to load :D i have had some fun with it.
MaDaucer wrote: My opinion of Linux is divided pretty cleanly into 2 portions. 1st off is that the whole "consept" of Linux is awesome.Free OS...If you´re willing to learn something new, well...everything anew. 2nd off is that this is the reason why I´m not using Linux so much yet.And the game issue is also a pretty good excuse for me. The FAT32 -file system support(read) is pretty neat, but it should b 2 way => Linux can read&write into a FAT32 -file system. I´ve tried Suse, Mandrake, Spectra and the most recent linux distribution in my hd is RedHat 9, which seems to b working ok so far.But I´m just waiting for the same problems to start appearing that were in the previous distributions I had. Overall... That Windows on Linux might not be such a bad idea afterall.It would get more people involved with Linux.
horne wrote: matt commented on 29 December 2003: The only thing that is keeping me from going to linux at this point is that I can't play my favorite games. // You can run TightVNC server on the Microsoft Windows machine and TightVNC client on the GNU/Linux machine to play games. Alternatively, purchase a game console. The only application missing from my GNU/Linux desktop is a project management application compatible with Microsoft Project. So in the interm I plan to use TightVNC - to satisfy the "we only use supported products" mindset at work so I can have access to Microsoft Project whilst still using GNU/Linux. All documentation is created using OpenOffice.org and only after completing the document do I convert it to Microsoft Office format and fix up the few issues some complex tables seem to raise. I prefer publishing a PDF formatted document for the recipient but sometimes they dema...
shaun wrote: Open office will not be a viable alternative in 5 years once DRM has been used widely through the market as nobody but microsoft will be able to open documents.
zPhoenix wrote: Windows on Linux would be nice, but only if done by the open source community. The most important reasons for breaking away from Windows are privacy, security and control over your own data! I work in the field of software security, and you would be shocked if you knew about all the private data that Windows keeps around... and it can all be found if you use the right tools. That is fine if it was only done for law enforcement purposes, but if you read the licenses carefully you will discover that you unknowingly granted Microsoft the right to use or change everything in your computer... and you are supposed to "trust them" not to misuse the power. I already began switching away my computers and discovered that it is quite viable. A bit of a pain perhaps, but Office is not one of them. OpenOffice is quite a viable alternative, free, does not have spyware, and it can exchang...
shaun wrote: After reading the above comments i have some more comments to add if you have the time... People will not move to another operating system because it means re-training. I go into companies and i have (in 5 years) med 2 people who know a reasonable amount (i.e. know what an IP address is etc.). People are scared of computers, change will increase this fear, so they will battle not for change. I an email from somebody the other month saying they couldnt send an email! i promptly sent one back saying "Keep trying." and got one back 3 days later saying "It's working again".... THIS IS WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST! Point 2: Microsoft will NEVER develop a linux version of their operating system. This is like ferarri saying "Our engine sucks, we are going to use a Porsche one instead". Also, they have poured too much time and effort into their technology to abandon it. Whatever anyone says, w...
shaun wrote: Everyone says that microsoft is ignoring the linux threat -- i do not believe they are. They are biding their time until everyone has upgraded to a recent (> 2003) version of Office or Windows -- Warning people off it, threatening law suits (indirectly thru SCO), droping costs etc. etc. In less than 5 years when the next version of windows comes out with .Net, IIS, Yukon, and most people have updated office to 2003 or later, linux wont be able to legally compete with windows. I work in IT and my clients are jumping at the chance to implement DRM (Document Right Management). DRM allows you to password files, check who has opened them, only allow certain members of staff to view them etc... the lot! Now, linux can not legally open these files. How can they compete when (IMO) around 60% - 70% of people who use word processing etc, are using this system to lock documents? who...
Leenoox wrote: I'm 31 and i wish never see a MS-Version of Linux. I think Linux - Unix are thought, developed and launched in the way an Operated System suppose to be. Unlike Windows, it came from a Pretty face for DOS to an unsecure comfortable standar for dummies. But i will push to developers to create viewers for MS' file types without to expose the integrity of the crossplataform.
tempest808 wrote: I think a big drawback for Linux, is purely the familiarity that users have with the Windows OS, they know what they can do with it, and where things are kept. With Linux this is gone, and it means re-learning, which most people dont want to do. So a Linux port of Windows, may break down some of these barriers and get more people onto Linux, which is a good thing.
Randy Poznan wrote: I wonder if this is true? This sounds brilliant though. Sort of a rollback to windows 3.X days where it was the window manager only. I just dont see why anyone would want to be burdoned with more windows client licenses. And secondly if you really must run special windows apps you would be better off running a client to a windows term server or citrix operation. Far less support issues. Id hate to see the mess that microsoft would make of their own branch of the linux kernel. C++ class out every header. Modules would be rewritten to lodable dll's, and vmlinux.dll, it would only compile with VS .Net. And it would have kernel methods exposed via Visual Basic to enable virus code.
matt wrote: Office is the only reason users dont switch to linux? I dont think this is true. I am ready to switch NOW. The only thing that is keeping me from going to linux at this point is that I can't play my favorite games! Namely Counter-Strike and Star Wars Galaxies. However, I am ready to go back any day, as soon as I get my games!! Open-office is fine as far as I am concerned for writing documents and doing microsoft office type stuff, I dont need ms office.
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