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SYS-CON Media's i-Technology News Desk reports exclusively: An "Internet advertising agency" - Promo Technology - last November registered the domain name OpenJava.org, leading to speculation that Sun has no immediate plans to follow up on its OpenSolaris.org strategy with a similar open-sourcing of Java.
The agency registered the domain name on November 17, 2004, according to records, and registration was handled by Swiss-based Bealo Group S.A.
Promo Technology seems to specialize in "Adult Web Sites" - so perhaps it was thinking of opening a "Hot Java" site? Sun's lawyers will doubtless be in touch soon to accuse them of domain-napping.
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Kelvin Tai commented on 2 Feb 2005
I think Sun doesn't care about registerying openjava.org as it has no plan to release the firm grip on Java. Afterall, Java is never open up till now and it's not likely that this will change in foreseeable future.
GNU classpath and the SableVM support Eclipse already. And JCP has cleared the path for an open source JVM. It is finally a possibility.
#12
legalEagle commented on 30 Jan 2005
Can't Sun just sue these Promo guys for domain squatting?
Neat story.
#11
Open Java commented on 29 Jan 2005
||| Odd that Jonathan Schwartz has not yet blogged about this, he surely will have a comment soon |||
If Schwartz does blog about this oversight, perhaps he'll blog at the same time about how Sun is considering opening the Java Enterprise System using the new CDDL ('cuddle')license. If that happens, everything that is built at Sun would pretty much fall under the CDDL, it's being said over at eWeek (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1753535,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K000...)
#10
Ask Schwartz commented on 29 Jan 2005
Odd that Jonathan Schwartz has not yet blogged about this, he surely will have a comment soon, he's an honest guy, he'll Tell It Like It Is.
Maybe just someone messed up, maybe there are other names Sun could use when (and if) they release Java under some kind of license doubtless, to the community.
#9
Doug Smith commented on 29 Jan 2005
If Sun cares, they can sue over trademark infringement to get the openjava.org domain name.
#8
Mr Whoohoo commented on 29 Jan 2005
Maybe Promo is just a front for an attempt by Sun to find a new line of revenue ... nice work Bill ... gives new meaning to the phrase Hard Wear. Hmmm
#7
leishirsute commented on 29 Jan 2005
Has anyone heard that Sun has fired their Exec VP of Sales, Bill Cook?
I was wondering if this showed up in the news anywhere. Heard it from a Sun reseller.
#6
Mr. Evident commented on 29 Jan 2005
My feeble mind is unable to grasp the concept that Java should be good for something, given the fact that so many otherwise intelligent people keep on using it, with olympic disregard to time and money invested in the effort. This is a toy that has long outlived its original goal and now keeps walking among the living languages as a zombie who does not it(he/she) is dead.
#5
nif commented on 28 Jan 2005
Oh, yeah... Who the hell think Java is Open! It's totally proprietory and Sun has demonstrated the willing to sue anyone if they dare to make it more open.
If checking on open system like linux, C# tools (mono) is much less threatened by legal wranglings than Kaffe and tens of them cannot be called Java...
#4
queZZtion commented on 28 Jan 2005
Doesn's Sun have a history of back-pedaling on open-source java? Maybe they didn't register the domain because they will never, ever release it to the open source community, not even under the new "cuddle" (CDDL) license. The good news is that openjava.com is for sale - doubtless at some outrageous price - from its existing owner, one of those outfits that tries to hijack your homepage. (Just so you're warned before you go there to find out who...)
#3
dmaxwell commented on 28 Jan 2005
Java being opensource isn't really all that exciting. The problem with Java is that jvm, classpath, and various GUI frameworks are controlled by a so-called "community" process. Yeah, they incorporate suggestions from the JCP but the reality is that next version of the Java standards is being developed in a cathedral. Every two and a half years or so, this get dumped out in one big glop and sets any third-party jvm and classpath back another year or two.
A jvm isn't all that big a deal. Tricky but there's still several. Replicating the JVM + Classpath + GUI frameworks would be roughly equivalent to developing cc + libc + gtk + qt. If a new version of ALL of this wasn't out every two or three years then an opensource java wouldn't be something we'd have to beg Sun to provide.
Wake me when Java and the necessary frameworks are ISO standards.
#2
James Ryan commented on 28 Jan 2005
The CDDL is not compatible with the GPL so Linux developers cannot use the code. On top of that, Sun's "generous" gift of 1600 patents *ONLY* applies to CDDL licensed code, so people who use Linux, FreeBSD, or any other open source operating system can be sued by Sun. On top of that, if any Linux/BSD developer WERE to go out and read CDDL source code or CDDL patented code, and implement it in Linux/BSD, Sun could sue them for triple damages because of it.
#1
Mr. Vash commented on 28 Jan 2005
Now that Solaris is now opensource, I'm wondering when will Microsoft open its code for Windows to us all? You know...OpenWindows! XD~
Kelvin Tai wrote: I think Sun doesn't care about registerying openjava.org as it has no plan to release the firm grip on Java. Afterall, Java is never open up till now and it's not likely that this will change in foreseeable future.
Open Java wrote: ||| Odd that Jonathan Schwartz has not yet blogged about this, he surely will have a comment soon |||
If Schwartz does blog about this oversight, perhaps he'll blog at the same time about how Sun is considering opening the Java Enterprise System using the new CDDL ('cuddle')license. If that happens, everything that is built at Sun would pretty much fall under the CDDL, it's being said over at eWeek (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1753535,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K000...)
Ask Schwartz wrote: Odd that Jonathan Schwartz has not yet blogged about this, he surely will have a comment soon, he's an honest guy, he'll Tell It Like It Is.
Maybe just someone messed up, maybe there are other names Sun could use when (and if) they release Java under some kind of license doubtless, to the community.
Mr Whoohoo wrote: Maybe Promo is just a front for an attempt by Sun to find a new line of revenue ... nice work Bill ... gives new meaning to the phrase Hard Wear. Hmmm
leishirsute wrote: Has anyone heard that Sun has fired their Exec VP of Sales, Bill Cook?
I was wondering if this showed up in the news anywhere. Heard it from a Sun reseller.
Mr. Evident wrote: My feeble mind is unable to grasp the concept that Java should be good for something, given the fact that so many otherwise intelligent people keep on using it, with olympic disregard to time and money invested in the effort. This is a toy that has long outlived its original goal and now keeps walking among the living languages as a zombie who does not it(he/she) is dead.
nif wrote: Oh, yeah... Who the hell think Java is Open! It's totally proprietory and Sun has demonstrated the willing to sue anyone if they dare to make it more open.
If checking on open system like linux, C# tools (mono) is much less threatened by legal wranglings than Kaffe and tens of them cannot be called Java...
queZZtion wrote: Doesn's Sun have a history of back-pedaling on open-source java? Maybe they didn't register the domain because they will never, ever release it to the open source community, not even under the new "cuddle" (CDDL) license. The good news is that openjava.com is for sale - doubtless at some outrageous price - from its existing owner, one of those outfits that tries to hijack your homepage. (Just so you're warned before you go there to find out who...)
dmaxwell wrote: Java being opensource isn't really all that exciting. The problem with Java is that jvm, classpath, and various GUI frameworks are controlled by a so-called "community" process. Yeah, they incorporate suggestions from the JCP but the reality is that next version of the Java standards is being developed in a cathedral. Every two and a half years or so, this get dumped out in one big glop and sets any third-party jvm and classpath back another year or two.
A jvm isn't all that big a deal. Tricky but there's still several. Replicating the JVM + Classpath + GUI frameworks would be roughly equivalent to developing cc + libc + gtk + qt. If a new version of ALL of this wasn't out every two or three years then an opensource java wouldn't be something we'd have to beg Sun to provide.
Wake me when Java and the necessary frameworks are ISO standards.
James Ryan wrote: The CDDL is not compatible with the GPL so Linux developers cannot use the code. On top of that, Sun's "generous" gift of 1600 patents *ONLY* applies to CDDL licensed code, so people who use Linux, FreeBSD, or any other open source operating system can be sued by Sun. On top of that, if any Linux/BSD developer WERE to go out and read CDDL source code or CDDL patented code, and implement it in Linux/BSD, Sun could sue them for triple damages because of it.
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